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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:42 pm 
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Okay Appy, I need your expertise once again!

Quite a while back, I posted a picture of this white marmorkreb that had only been kept with the light that came into my fish room by the windows:

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I have since let the majority of my marbled crayfish be used as feeders, but kept this one, since it seemed different. She now has a florescent light on her tank and her color has come out a very nice blue. She extracted eggs this past Saturday and I noticed they were white when she extracted them. I waited a few days to make sure the glair had set well to hold the eggs in place before getting a picture of her. The eggs are blue. In the past, all of the marmorkreb eggs have been brown. Here are a couple of pictures of them:

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So does it look as if I may have a mutation on my hands?

I am not sure all of the eggs are going to be viable, though. She looked to have had a full berry on Saturday, but the eggs have dwindled a bit since then.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:18 pm 
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Not sure what's going on :lol: , but that's a pretty cray!!


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That looks like something really special! You do realize you're now obligated to keep everyone updated about these eggs now, right?


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A true mutation is very unlikely, especially with these. Because these guys are all clones it would be a 1 in a billion chance. More likely she is responding tosome environmental clue that triggers special coloration. I've seen them turn a very nice blue as has minicooper. Mine turned back when the pH and substrate was changed.

The babies should tell you though.


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Yeah Jack, I know the chances of mutation are very small, but I'm still hoping for it! :lol:

The difference with this girl is that she has never shown any sign of brown like the other blue ones I've had and I've been keeping them since January 2006. I have also never seen eggs that were any color other than brown to black on the Marmorkrebs. She has been in a tank with white gravel, a bare bottomed tank and now with this tri-colored gravel and has consistantly been different than the rest of the Marmorkrebs.

I know that a crayfish' coloration is seldom a way to tell if a mutation has occurred, but I don't know about the different coloration of the eggs. Since Appy has studied this stuff, I'm hoping for a little insight about that or at least the right people to talk to about it.

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I'll keep my fingers crossed! :)


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I got an email back from Chris Lukhaup this morning and he doesn't think it's a mutation either. So much for my wishful thinking, I guess.

He said he has a book out called "Crayfish of the World" which I didn't know about. I'll need to find a copy. It's always good to support our fellow addicts. :lol:

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Where could we obtain such a book? :)

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I don't know, Dale. I've looked on ebay and Amazon and didn't see it. I didn't see it listed on crusta10 in their publication section either, unless it was in German. I guess I should send an email to ask Chris about that.

He does have a huge list of things he's written on crusta10. I really didn't know he was an author as well as a rock star! :lol:

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Yeah I would agree, these are all genetically alike so it must be some environmental que that causes it.

Yes the book by Chris is in German

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Thanks much, Appy!

I went camping over the weekend and when I got back, there were only about 30 or so eggs left in the berry. I think they may be infertile, but it does look as if they are developing. I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens. Since this is the first berry she has extracted, she may eat all of them. I hate it when females do this, but it is typical the first time around.

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